mandela: the process of illusion and disillusionment is part of life and goes on endlessly

divine postman: indeed nelson, in my early twenties what struck me forcefully was the conflict between my expectations, that were fed through schooling, and actual experience.

mandela: many have the idea, divine postman, that they will leave the lecture room straight to some cosy job, with a steady income, and living life generally comfortable.

divine postman: you see that creates a sense of complacency because you never push yourself and explore your limits.

mandela: it’s like you sitting on a rocking chair moving back and forth, thinking you going somewhere but in actual fact you are standing still.

divine postman: my experience was different nelson, i moved in circles where common sense and practical experience were important, and where a high academic qualification was not necessarily decisive.

mandela: intuition serves us best divine postman, we can only trust what is within when we are confronted with life-changing situations, because the ability to decide instantly is something you can never learn from school.

divine postman: hardly anything i had been taught at university seemed directly relevant in my new environment.

mandela: do you consider it a worthwhile experience that you were at university

divine postman: yes and no, it showed me what i did not want in life, which was comfort and security and what i did want which was adventure and uncertainty

mandela: is that why you subsequently dropped out, because schooling breeds a sense of entitlement whereby you depend on an institution or corporation to fulfill your wants

divine postman: indeed nelson, i’ve come to learn that what matters most is having discipline and a strong will

mandela: in other words being defiant, that no matter who says what you will achieve your destiny

divine postman: of course the might of necessity permits no resistance